Posts by Disillusioned JW

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GB pushed the vax

by Diedsuddenly in

i remember during the pandemic the gb updates got progressively stronger pushing the vaccines .

they even had experiences of some who were reluctant to get them and then due to the gb keep saying fully vaccinated these poor jws went out and got all the catch ups shots and even all the boosters.

i remember someone making a compilation video showing all the gb update clips of the gb pushing the clot shots, even tony morris saying the words ‘go get vaccinated’.

Disillusioned JW

enoughisenough, what proof is there that "people in red states had more bad reactions [from the Covid-19 shots] than [people in] blue states"?

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GB pushed the vax

by Diedsuddenly in

i remember during the pandemic the gb updates got progressively stronger pushing the vaccines .

they even had experiences of some who were reluctant to get them and then due to the gb keep saying fully vaccinated these poor jws went out and got all the catch ups shots and even all the boosters.

i remember someone making a compilation video showing all the gb update clips of the gb pushing the clot shots, even tony morris saying the words ‘go get vaccinated’.

LV101 are you saying the companies which you refer as Jewish-controlled (or possibly Jewish-controlled) and that the the Jewish community know how to depopulate humankind? If so, are you also saying they intend to depopulate humankind? Are you anti-Semitic? I wish to avoid jumping to conclusions, so please clarify your statements/views for me. Some of the claims you make in your most recent post in this topic are extremely shocking to me and extremely unbelievable to me.

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GB pushed the vax

by Diedsuddenly in

i remember during the pandemic the gb updates got progressively stronger pushing the vaccines .

they even had experiences of some who were reluctant to get them and then due to the gb keep saying fully vaccinated these poor jws went out and got all the catch ups shots and even all the boosters.

i remember someone making a compilation video showing all the gb update clips of the gb pushing the clot shots, even tony morris saying the words ‘go get vaccinated’.

Disillusioned JW

The abstract of a science article at https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32867645/ is interesting. It is called "Neutralization of SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein via Natural Compounds: A Multilayered High Throughput Virtual Screening Approach".

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GB pushed the vax

by Diedsuddenly in

i remember during the pandemic the gb updates got progressively stronger pushing the vaccines .

they even had experiences of some who were reluctant to get them and then due to the gb keep saying fully vaccinated these poor jws went out and got all the catch ups shots and even all the boosters.

i remember someone making a compilation video showing all the gb update clips of the gb pushing the clot shots, even tony morris saying the words ‘go get vaccinated’.

Disillusioned JW

The WT won't pick up the estates if the offspring of the elderly JWs inherit the estates.

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Did it ever become unbearable to attend another Kingdom Hall meeting?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

it's becoming unbearable for me to attend another meeting.

i dread coming to the weekly sunday public talk and watchtower study.

the talks are ''repeats'' of a ''repeat.

Disillusioned JW

I became a fader, more than 10 years before I even read of the term (in regards to reducing involvement in the JW religion). Or, precisely, I just simply stopped attending the regular meetings (except maybe for a few times) in the Kingdom Halls. I did that because I was burned out with the routine and because I wanted to focus on doing independent research (including about the WT/JW religion's doctrinal changes and its other history, and to see if the religion had more false doctrinal interpretations of the Bible than I had realized). My field service hours had already become less than 3 hours per month before I stopped attending the regular meetings. When I stopped thinking of myself as a JW I then stopped attending the Memorial and the circuit assemblies and district conventions (except that maybe I had already stopped attending some of those assemblies/conventions by then).

Therefore, if the meetings are unbearable, why not simply suddenly stop attending them, if one is an adult (especially if not married) living on her/his own (not living in his/her parents home)? If the family asks why did you stop, why not simply say the truth - namely that you are burned out (or worn out) from participation in meetings, meeting attendance, and field service? If people, including your family and the elders, as a result conclude you are spiritually weak, so what?

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GB pushed the vax

by Diedsuddenly in

i remember during the pandemic the gb updates got progressively stronger pushing the vaccines .

they even had experiences of some who were reluctant to get them and then due to the gb keep saying fully vaccinated these poor jws went out and got all the catch ups shots and even all the boosters.

i remember someone making a compilation video showing all the gb update clips of the gb pushing the clot shots, even tony morris saying the words ‘go get vaccinated’.

Disillusioned JW

I told my sister (a devout JW) that I wonder if the mRNA based Covid-19 vaccines sometimes cause significant blood vessel problems. She said the people in Bethel have all taken them and that none of them have had any major health problems as a result. She says she thus believes the vaccines are safe. But I still wonder if they are entirely safe.

Our mother (a devout JW who took the full series of vaccines) now has a very major problem in her brain (what my sister called white spots [she probably means as seen on brain imaging MRI scans]). My mother, sister, and I are very concerned about mom's health condition. My sister says she doesn't think that the Covid-19 vaccinations received by our mom caused our mom's brain problems.

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Early Hominem. Neanderthals. Evolution.

by solameguy12 in

so i grew up as a witness but i’m no longer active, i have some family that still practices very seriously.

but i don’t want to ask them my question.

but what does the bible and teaching’s of jw’s say about early hominids?

Disillusioned JW

peacefulpete, the idea that Bonobos have sometimes mated with chimpanzees (Pan troglodytes) in the modern era and produced hybrid offspring from such mating, is news to me. [Perhaps you only mean it happened long ago, instead of also in modern times.] I hadn't known such happened. After reading your claim I found an article at http://www.macroevolution.net/bonobo-chimpanzee-hybrids.html which confirms that it happened also in modern times. It says the following.

"In 1979, a circus director in France bought what he believed to be a male chimpanzee. It performed in acts and regularly mated with two female chimpanzees. This male ape, however, turned out to be a bonobo. Between 1991 and 2000, seven bonobo-chimpanzee hybrids were produced from these matings, most or all of which survived. By 2000, the oldest was working in the circus act in place of his retired father."

I notice that https://www.newscientist.com/article/2110682-chimps-and-bonobos-interbred-and-exchanged-genes/ says the following.

"Chimpanzees and their relatives bonobos are closer than we thought. Bonobos seem to have donated genes to chimps at least twice in the roughly two million years since they last shared an ancestor.

The two closely related apes have occasionally interbred in captivity, and bonobos are renowned for their free and easy sex life. But the finding that they interbred in the wild was unexpected."

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Early Hominem. Neanderthals. Evolution.

by solameguy12 in

so i grew up as a witness but i’m no longer active, i have some family that still practices very seriously.

but i don’t want to ask them my question.

but what does the bible and teaching’s of jw’s say about early hominids?

Disillusioned JW

On page two of this topic thread Sea Breeze said "Javaman or Homo Erectus was a Gibbon monkey skull". There is at least one big problem with that claim. It is that Gibbon species is an ape species (what is called a Lessor Ape) not a monkey species! [However I admit that some countries the vernacular meaning of the word "monkey" includes what scientists say is an ape instead.] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbon says the following. "Gibbons (/ˈɡɪbənz/) are apes in the family Hylobatidae (/ˌhaɪləˈbætɪdiː/). ... Also called the lesser apes, gibbons differ from great apes (bonobos, chimpanzees, gorillas, orangutans and humans) in being smaller, exhibiting low sexual dimorphism, and not making nests.[5] Like all apes, gibbons are tailless." While that source says that humans are apes, not all scientists classify humans as apes, but some began doing classifying them as apes several years ago.

Regarding the claim made by Sea Breeze and some other young Earth creationists that Java Man was a gibbon and that Eugène Dubois later confessed it was a hoax, see https://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/gibbon.html which proves those two claims of some creationists (including of Sea Breeze) as false!

Young Earth creationists often spread lies against evolution and I am sick and tired of them doing so. Granted some of them (including Sea Breeze) are sincere, but what they are sometimes spreading are nonetheless lies originated by others. Those 'damn' (figuratively speaking) lies deceive many people into rejecting evolution!

See also https://answersingenesis.org/creationism/arguments-to-avoid/if-humans-evolved-from-apes-why-do-apes-exist-today/ . It is a young Earth creationist article which says creationists should not argue "If Humans Evolved from Apes, Why Do Apes Exist Today?" The reasons it gives are correct ones! Some of the things the article say are the following.

"This argument shows a misunderstanding of what evolutionists actually believe about human evolution. The evolutionary concept of the origin of humans is not based on humans descending from modern apes but, rather, argues that humans and modern apes share a common ancestor.

According to the evolutionary worldview, several million years ago there existed a group of creatures that would ultimately give rise to both modern apes and modern humans. At some point, a small group of creatures became reproductively isolated from the main group. These two groups then followed different evolutionary pathways, resulting in the modern apes and modern humans. So, in reality, there is nothing about the existence of modern apes that would trouble an evolutionist. In fact, raising this issue only shows a lack of understanding on the part of those believing that the existence of modern apes is a stumbling block for evolution. This argument also seems to imply that creationists are deliberately committing a straw-man fallacy (misrepresentation of an opponent’s position), but in reality, creationists who use this argument simply misunderstand what evolutionists believe."

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Early Hominem. Neanderthals. Evolution.

by solameguy12 in

so i grew up as a witness but i’m no longer active, i have some family that still practices very seriously.

but i don’t want to ask them my question.

but what does the bible and teaching’s of jw’s say about early hominids?

Disillusioned JW

Thanks peacefulpete.

Regarding Bonobos (formerly commonly known as Pygmy Chimpanzee) [with scientific species name of Pan paniscus] I didn't know there were any who argue they are a subspecies, though I know some classify them as chimpanzees. Are they arguing they are a subspecies of the Common Chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes)? In looking up the spelling of scientific names a moment ago I found an article at https://www.britannica.com/animal/bonobo which says the following. "bonobo, (Pan paniscus), also called pygmy chimpanzee, ape that was regarded as a subspecies of the chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes) until 1933, when it was first classified separately."

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Early Hominem. Neanderthals. Evolution.

by solameguy12 in

so i grew up as a witness but i’m no longer active, i have some family that still practices very seriously.

but i don’t want to ask them my question.

but what does the bible and teaching’s of jw’s say about early hominids?

Disillusioned JW

peacefulpete I appreciate your posts. Though I am convinced of human evolution there is something which troubles me about the science pertaining to it. My stating the concern might give Sea Breeze some consolation, but I will state it anyway.

One thing that greatly annoys(and troubles) me regarding evolutionary science (including physical anthropology) is that every chart I come across of human evolution disagrees with every other chart of such to some degree! When the charts have lines connecting species they show different ancestor-descendant relationships. For example, older charts showed Homo sapiens having Homo erectus as their most recent ancestor, but the chart posted you shows Homo erectus as not being our ancestor at all. The chart posted by you shows Homo heidebergensis as our most recent ancestor, but a number of other charts show that species as not leading to us. Some science articles said that Homo heidebergensis is not a separate species but rather a variant of Homo erectus, whereas other science articles said that Homo heidebergensis is a variant of early Homo sapiens. Likewise some science articles don't consider Homo ergaster as being a separate species, but rather as an early form of Homo erectus. Some scientists assign certain fossils to one species, but a different scientist assigns them to a different species, and a third scientist to neither of the other two species, but instead to a different one.

Some scientists say that the Neanderthals have Homo erectus as their most recent ancestor, but the chart posted by you doesn't depict that - unless we interpret that which some call Homo heidebergensis as actually being a variant of Homo erectus.

The fossil skull labeled/cataloged KNM-ER 1470 is assigned to Homo habilis by some, to Homo rudolfensis by some, to Kenyanthropus rudolfensis by some, to the genus Australopithecus by others, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_rudolfensis says the following about Homo rudolfensis. "Consequently, both its generic classification and validity are debated without any wide consensus, with some recommending the species to actually belong to the genus Australopithecus as A. rudolfensis or Kenyanthropus as K. rudolfensis, or that it is synonymous with the contemporaneous and anatomically similar H. habilis."

The chart posted by you depicts Homo floresiensis as descending from Homo erectus and some scientists say it descended (as a dwarf) from such, but other scientists say it definitely did not descend from such and not a dwarf species, and that its limb proportions (arms relative to legs) is much more like that of Homo habilis and of Australopithecus afarensis. Regarding Homo floresiensis https://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/homo-floresiensis-making-sense-of-the-small-91387735/ says the following.

"A second model advanced to explain the presence of the hominin fossils on the island of Flores in the Pleistocene states that this population was the offshoot of a more primitive, pre-erectus hominin species with a small body size and small brain. Evidence from the mandible and the rest of the skeleton supports this hypothesis (Argue et al., 2009). The size and morphology of the teeth and mandible share more resemblances to Australopithecus and the earliest Homo species than to Homo erectus (Brown and Maeda, 2009). In particular, the very short legs (relative both to the arms and to the feet) are a pattern seen in apes and australopiths rather than Homo erectus (a good Homo habilis skeletal comparison has not yet been discovered). LB1 was also disproportionately heavy for her height — a pattern closely approximated by the famous 3.2 million year old Australopithecus afarensis skeleton of "Lucy" (Jungers and Baab, 2009). Despite being only 106 cm in height, LB1 is estimated to have weighed close to 32.5 kg (71.7 lbs.). The carpal bones (bones of the wrist) in Homo floresiensis look more like those of chimpanzees than of modern humans (Tocheri et al., 2007). While the evolution of the wrist is not well documented in early members of the genus Homo (e.g., Homo habilis and Homo erectus), it is clear that the wrist morphology is more primitive than that of modern humans and Neanderthals. Like the wrist, the foot morphology, although exhibiting some human-like traits (including a non-grasping big toe), also retains several quite primitive features: a long forefoot with curved toes and the lack of a medial longitudinal arch (Jungers et al., 2009)."